Truth is a bitter pill. I like how one of them referred to "tyranny of the majority". It really does show, there isn't any moral difference between the parties.
You know what? Fuck it. The health care bill should be rammed through congress in reconciliation with a public option/medicare for all. Let's not forget that many social reforms had to be rammed through congress in reconciliation (Medicare benefits, Children's Health Insurance Program, COBRA etc) and no republican would ever repeal any of those programs.
Point of information here; is a Bill passing with 51 votes what is meant by The Nuclear Option?
I thought The Nuclear Option (in Congress) was something different.
Okay, I found it. It is a bit different. It is a vote to end debate rather than to pass a Bill.
Blah blah blah on the Nuclear Option
It was planned as a way to make budget changes to an existing bill that has already passed. (And hopefully decrease spending.)
Currently it is seen as a way to pass new law by adding amendments to something that has already passed. These changes require only 51 votes to take effect.
While a lot could be added this way, the stuff that nationalist pushes could not pass as budget changes and so would easily be struck down out side the senate. To make the changes nationalist wants, a new bill would have to be made and then face filibuster.
There is already a health care bill that has passed the senate with 60 votes. However the Dems in the house don't like it and will not vote for it. If they changed there minds then we would have the senate bill as the new health care reform (Game Over). The nuclear option talk is all aimed at making the minimal changes needed to get/buy enough votes for the house to pass the senate bill into law. However, those house Dems are demanding some significant changes.
Not really pushing either side, just answering a question. This is all from memory and there might be afew/alot of errors because I'm not a lawyer (unfortunately).
Thanks, there is a lot of talk about the nuclear option lately and most of it is by people (like me) who don't really understand what it is.
Well there's an easy solution to that. If you aren't going to bother figuring it out, quit bitching about it.
The dems, like the republicans, are full of crap every time they say that they wouldn't use some shady tactic to get their way.
You have no idea what you're talking about. A public option could technically be passed through reconciliation as part of ANY bill. It doesn't have to be this one. According to Senate rules, anything that has a 'substantial budgetary component' (the so called Byrd Rule) can be passed through the Senate without the threat of filibuster. For what it's worth, this is exactly how COBRA was passed in the Senate (as a rider on a budget bill). For a public option to pass through reconciliation, it would have to slash costs in some way relative to what currently exists, which is exactly what it would do just like COBRA and CHIP did.
lamparty
Huh? They are comparing now to what went on in 2005?