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I love that you dont really debate...
Also considering 9 out of 10 things you post proven wrong in time.. That comment kinda lacks substance.
So our government racked up 14 TRILLION dollars in current debt and just about to add another 2 TRILLION more in debt is a good thing for our economy? The dollar dropping like a rock into the ocean due to too much debt and overprinting. We have NEVER had a real balanced budget (that year we had the closest thing to that, we still borrowed money to pay the bills), but the powers that be can't be restricted by the reality of spending only what we have take in? Then they oppose restrictions and laws that cause the cost of doing business and hiring people to skyrocket and wonder why not enough people is hiring, makes we wonder if they even talked to a good economic egghead (not just the moronic Keynesian ones) ever.
We have been over debt for ages, its nothing new.. Whats got us downgraded is Washington and out political partys not being able to work with eachother and compromise past team politics. Many people warned that this downgrade would come even if a deal was reached.
Does there need to be a balanced budget? Yah, they do need one.
Are you helping that issue? No, you keep the same team politics going thats caused this issue. You and that party of no, the party of ' if youre not with us youre against us' attitude. You sling propaganda daily and expect people to think otherwise?
Screw the politics of normal and we will throw them out of those bums without pensions anymore in time, since they don't deserve them and need to pay for them screwing us. Then start shaving the feds down to Constitutional Limitations will be the next thing. Compromising to continue wasteful spending and stupid laws is never a great idea.
I think we all know what happens when big business runs without regulations, its been seen in other areas in the world and in Americas own past.
That whole first sentence i didnt really understand.. So i cant go into that.
I can say that is another right wing tactic though. I have said before 3rd party is NOT viable when its just right wingers afraid of their own ticket. You guys beat a drum and support them then when things dont go well you change over to tea party and beat a drum to support a carbon copy.
Takeover the current Republican Party from being Democrat Lite anymore (no more RINOs) is a better plan and will take several election cycles (too many) to complete. But the politics of the green movement really is not about the environment, but the use of those laws to hinder and destroy the free market push their communist/socialist ideals through laws. Just as the UAW and certain unions are just political parties that really don't care about their members? Their own words and actions paint in that manner.
You are prob the first and only person i have seen claiming the republican party too liberal lmao... Thats just crazy on its own for any person who lives outside the twilight zone.
As for words and actions lets look at that.. So far we have one party who has compromised to get America through this and one who has gone further into its own ideals at all of ours expense.
As for the green movment which had nothing to do with what we are talking about.. Most valid, none partisan scientists will say that climate change is real and happening. You know who says its not? Politicians, payed for scientific research by energy companies, propaganda add campaigns etc. Now even if man is not part of climate change there still is nothing wrong with making the world a bit better and getting out of the same broke system. To claim the green movment destroying the free maket is laughable.. To say the UAW is out to get its members when its members are fighting for it and the repubs are trying to take them down and suffering the public backlash for it, also laughable.
Can we go commie? Really? Because I would like that. As I stare out into boarded up homes, a business section that looks like Escape from New York, seeing folks sleeping in their cars in 114f temps, I'd like that a lot.
NEWS FLASH: there are MORE poor than their are rich, they outnumber you teabaggers by about 14,000 to 1 and the number is growing. Do you think they will just wander off to die?
Look to the east, look to Libya and Syria. it is coming, and I will personally be happy to help make the ropes to hang from the trees those that have profiteered from misery. look to the east, for it is coming, like a glorious new dawn. look to the east, look to the east.
Well BO's policies spending trillions of dollars to pump up the economy have failed and were doomed to failure due to bad ideas that he bought in. Check out what eastern europe looked like after decades of Communist control, since you peon are not a party official or well connected and would not see much other hours of waiting for your daily food..
Making the world better is a nice idea, but when it prevents people from having a living or doing with what is theirs? I have a problem with this and the bad laws that they have put on the books making everyone life difficult. We should have Nuclear power using the newer technology that are much more safer everywhere and those deep dump sites in the middle of nowhere for the waste.
Actually I'm a full supporter of socialism NOT communism. i looove how the right wing can't seem to tell those two apart. it is like saying the NSDAP were capitalists since the shops were open in Germany.
It is actually very simple what a socialist believes in:1.-NO man should go to bed hungry 2.-NO man should not have a home 3.-NO man should go without clothing and 4.-No man should go without medical care when he is sick.
If you want more? Then you should have to do something for it, but I believe capitalism, like slavery before it, is a dying system and NOTHING can be done to stop it.
Why is that? simple: You are playing IQ musical chairs and at every single turn of the music more WILL be left behind. What job at your local fast food joint couldn't be done faster, better, and safer by a robotic assembly line? Answer...none it is simply the government which teabaggers hate so much that is CREATING the need for fast food workers by paying, in the form of assistance, for the workers. It is classic "make work" that if the FF joints were forced to pay a living wage instead of dumping their low wages off on society? Would be automated by the end of the year, no doubt at all.
It is simply a fact, the machine is smarter than you, never gets sick, doesn't need insurance or healthcare, doesn't take days off or get hurt or need workman's comp. Sending the jobs to china (now Malaysia as the Chinese are beginning to demand living wages) is simply delaying the inevitable.
What will you do with these millions of Americans with NO job and NO ability to be educated further? BTW you DO know that education is the next bubble to burst, yes? We have pushed the poor to get more and more AND more education so now they are drowning in student loans while there is simply no jobs to be had. the bubble WILL burst and you will either have to write off trillions in loans or lose and entire generation to crushing debt. What do you do with them baron? Execute them? Round them up and put them into camps?
Because if you don't want MASSIVE rioting, looting, and have this country become another Somalia then you WILL have to do something. Every single day more are out of work, and those jobs aren't coming back. A factory that once employed thousands can be run now by less than a handful. What do YOU think you should do?
It is not the government job to give people things, but the freedom to do what they can. The costs have driven many countries into the ditch to try to cover the increasing costs and they will restrict services as other's do right now. Not much of a solution, since when they run out of other people's money.... Doom will occur.
I want to bring back industry to our country and the best way would be to drop the tax rates on everything and the regulations to a reasonable level. Unions can pound salt and have helped destroy our country by destroy the jobs, since they helped companies to find it reasonable to ship things from around the world cheaper than making it here. That was the problem with Borders and Barnes/Noble, since I could have a book ordering online cheaper than going to their store. They survived by not paying people their books until they sold and returning books abused to the people that sold them the sock without paying anything.
Someone still has to fix and maintain the machines and they have not come with a way to have them design the machines. It would awesome if we could make China and other areas too expensive to produce quality products.
Education on all levels has been a bit of scam in many ways, but the government has enabled the problem in many ways through bad policies and not kick out the teachers unions who don't give a rats ass about the kids long ago.
Higher education have become overpriced and too many bad professors who care about their views of the world and not just teaching the subject at hand. The tenure thing is just stupid. Too many professors care about their private work over the students.
Uhhh Baron? Hate to break the news to ya but taxes are ALREADY lower on the top 1%ers than in ANY time in history. Did it bring back jobs? Nope they did just like GE did and used the profits to close the shops here and open new ones in India. Why pay a living wage when they can dump toxic waste out the back door in Bangalore and pay folks garbage wages while making them live in toxic filth?
And despite the constant drumbeat of "Give teh rich more MONIES! Nom nom nom" you might want to see what the actual studies show, which is higher taxes lead to job growth as it is actually quite simple. if the rich are taxed to hell if they keep it? They instead INVEST the money into businesses, to keep from getting hit with the tax bill! it really is quite simple, the rich hoard, the poor spend. That is why our economy is dead, not because of unions or tenure. it is because the jobs were sent by the rich to hellholes where they can pollute and abuse the workers, and the poor with no jobs have no money to spend.
And in the end as Europe has seen without the basics then the common man has NO reason not to riot and loot. look at what happened in SC, where a man held up a bank for $1 just so he could get medical treatment in jail. sadly it worked too, as now he has his medicine and is being seen by a doctor.
Is that REALLY what you want? Despite your claims of "needing folks to build and maintain the machines" we are talking peanuts compared to the amount of people we have. If you manage to toss the illegals (which I am ALL FOR BTW) we are STILL talking about over a quarter of a BILLION people in the USA alone. Think about that, 300 million plus. Do you honestly believe we need THAT much labor? And like you I believe education has become a big scam, burying the poor in debts they simply will never be able to pay. I had a neighbor commit suicide simply because he could never get out from under student loans.
But as the machines get smarter there is less and less of a need for humans, you just can't get around that. Have you seen the new blade servers? They back themselves up, monitor their own health, and if a part is getting ready to fail it will switch the load to another server blade and then call HQ and request a service tech. A job that once took thousands of highly educated workers, soon to be replaced by handfuls of "parts monkeys" that simply go replace the part the machine tells them to replace. The average wage for a skilled admin? Nearly $100,000. for a parts monkey? Maybe $25,000.
The simple fact is human labor is going the way of the 8 track and with an entire system based on labor for capital you are doomed for failure. While I agree that tariffs against the polluters would be wonderful, and this "free trade" BS needs to DIAF, in the end? You are putting off the inevitable, that is all. We simply don't need a world filled with rocket scientists, nor do we have a population capable of that. The average person has an IQ of 104 yet to make a decent living at something other than slinging dope one really needs more like 130 IQ. And each year that number WILL climb, as more and more jobs are taken over by machines. Have you seen the automated construction equipment being tested in Korea? the entire thing, from a piece of dirt to a 4 lane highway, all computer controlled and coordinated by GPS.
In the end you can't stop the march of progress, and unless you support taking the right to reproduce away from the masses and giving it ONLY to the elite you can't escape the fact that your choices will be to change the system to one where a man can live without work, or have what is going on right now in the UK with massive rioting and looting. Once technology reaches a certain point labor for capital simply breaks down. We are already at that threshold, with more workers than are needed to sustain the system. What do you do with them? Have you seen the food dispenser they are working on at MIT? it takes basic building blocks and "prints" any food item you want.
In the end more and more of us simply aren't needed, but what to do with them? Hell I predict I have maybe a decade, maybe a decade and a half before my job isn't needed anymore, as you won't repair computers , they will be disposed of like cameras and empty soda bottles. What will you do with me then Baron? Throw me off a bridge?
Social programs should not be confused with socialism anymore than communism should be confused with fascism.
Well if you have what is commonly called socialism, where nobody goes to bed hungry, or homeless or without clothing or medical care? There really isn't much of a difference between this and a fully functioning "safety net" which is what so called social programs are supposed to provide.
As I said in my area you have people sleeping in their cars in 114f temps, here on Madville you had the "Ghost of Tom Joad" article about tent cities being opened up right here in the USA, we are gonna have to face the fact that the current system really doesn't work. Or in actuality it works extremely well for those in the top 5% who now currently have over 90% of this country's wealth, while the other 95% fight over the scraps.
This simply is NOT sustainable as the people won't have it. Everywhere from Syria to the UK streets are filled with rioting and the buildings burn. the ONLY reason we haven't ended up like that is a generous safety net that the teabaggers are gonna do their damnedest to remove. They think the poor will slink off and die, or they can build nice prison camps to hold them. Well i got new for them this country has one revolution under its belt, it really wouldn't take much for the USA to have another one. i give it 5 years, maybe 6 before we are having our own "Arab Spring".
If you use the commonly used definition though then you end up speaking the same gibberish as thebaron or Gramps. Which from one means that socialism = bad and the other that socialism = unrealistic. And neither is the proper definition.
We have the definitions and we should use them as what they are. Socialism does not mean caring for the poor. It means doing away with money. And good luck on that.
I believe that some social programs are good, but I do not believe that the government should provide 100% to the poor. It provides too much of a disincentive to work and it creates a decay of the society. It may not be fair, depending on what you think fair means, but it's realistic.
Look, when Dubya came into office he was far to the right of most of the GOP, so much so that he had to recruit from a small band of radical neocons and from select companies like Enron to fill up his Administration.
The modern GOP is so far to the right of where Bush was in 2001 that it isn't funny. Even at that, the Tea Party was created out of frustration that the GOP wasn't conservative enough.
Bush was very Islam-friendly, his favorite diplomat being Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, a guy Bush's father, President Bush #41 nicknamed "Prince Bandar Bush".
Bush espoused a political philosophy he called "compassionate conservatism" which acknowledged the role of government in providing social services for a variety of purposes. Bush wanted the government to go along with industry on matters of pollution and the environment, but he didn't do anything to get rid of the regulatory agencies that the Tea Party says are contrary to the US Constitution. He just wanted those agencies to be more user-friendly to the companies they regulate.
The Tea Party is so far to the right of Bush that they can't even see him in their rear view mirrors.
Bush kept moving to the left as time when and became worst after his second term. The Constitution is fairly easy to understand on the limitations of government. Only a bunch of asshat federalists or marxist socialists can even make the argument they can do anything. They need disbanded and reduce the size of government/spending to nothing. The best compassion we can do is allow the economy to explode and get people to work!
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