Meh, I've seen worse. Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff looks a lot like an Arab himself.
Sorry, they have to prove themselves after all these years of their bullshit. They have burned their own bridges to the rest of the world and try to claim it is the work of a few. Were was their outrage of suicide bombers and other acts of evil? Fuck them all.
Ahhh...the vitriolic flames of hatred, that's what we need more of. All Arabs and Muslims are against us, we should kill them all, send them back to where them came from, which by the way is the same place we all came from. So lets all go back to Babylon and then to Africa. Let's leave North America to the natives again, they'd like that.
Hatred is a normal reaction when they kill your people; then they claim those are just the radical ones, then there is no outcry from the Muslim/Arab world (those five arab/muslims that did are an oddity not the norm) to bring these people to justice. They burn our Bibles and Jew's Torah, then when the rumor of a Koran being flushed down the toliet - off to kill the infidels. Convince some smuck that strapping a bomb on yourself to killed the infidels and enough of them fund the families of these stupid martyrs. Write constant hate articles in almost all of their news outlets and when someone says something negative about them, then they break out the torches again.
They demand us to respect them as even if we are infidels when they don't respect our right to exist. Why should we suffer their insanity? Gain the Desire and the Will to wipe them out comes easly when terrorists are constantly blowing up or murdering your people, then won't help you bring their so-called rogue members to justice. Makes people wonder if they don't support their terrorists with their constant silence on the subject....
"...then there is no outcry from the Muslim/Arab world.." You've been watching the wrong media...try the BBC.
"Convince some smuck that strapping a bomb on yourself to killed the infidels..." poverty is a hell of an incentive to do extreme things, you should really watch 'Syriana', it's a brillant film that shows more than one side of the conflict.
"...when terrorists are constantly blowing up or murdering your people.." you're the one invading their country. If you invaded my country I'd make my best effort to make all of you fail to exist.
BBC is not the middle east news. I am talking about bonfide middle eastern news media. That .0000001% of their population willing to write a criticial op piece on Islam are oddities and even close to the norm. Their treatment of women don't endear them to me either, but that is a different issue.
If 9-11 did not happen, I would be more supportive. Now since 9-11 did happened and the middle east would have turned over the majority of the terrorists, then I would be a tad less less willing to send them all to hell.
Convincing your fellow Muslim that strapping a bomb to yourself and murdering those poor shoppers is the will of God, is a rather evil and wasteful in man-power. Chance to suceed is very slim if you don't have support in your conflicts.
We invaded and killed a surprising little amount of people compared to most invasions and then we turn around and help rebuild as usual. Now personally I would have left them to rot, but Iran or Syria or even semi-ex-USSR might sweep in take over and that would never be good. Better yet the Kurds should have been given their country for their support of the US in even when we fucked them after the first war.
I don't trust a poisonious snake not to try to bite me if I were to hold it, so why should I trust a group more than willing to use underhanded methods to kill large amount of people that were shopping or having a wedding or working in their towers?
They can still recover their honor and right to live, but I don't see them turning over a large basket of heads starting with Bin Laden anytime soon.
"We invaded and killed a surprising little amount of people compared to most invasions.." Good for you, your government is slightly less guilty of genocide than the poeple you are trying to oust.
The problem with your logic is is based on the same logic that caused the problems in the first place, i.e., the illegal occupation of Palestine.
The US is scared of losing control of the resources it so desperately requires to it's biggest trading partner, China. The Chinese economy is outpacing the US by leaps and bounds, and can afford to make deals with the middle east suppliers that the US can't or won't match. The US can't attack the Chinese directly, so it is taking a page out of Japan's book from the second world war; control by force of the resources, and damn the rest. The only difference is that the US has to fool it's citizens into accepting it as a moral action, instead of the Japanese semi-religious ideal of a godhead emperor. Thinking about it now, the religious aspect isn't that far off, just the shift from a collective to the individual.
The US bred this monster in it's support of the Mujahideen and despots like Saddam against the USSR and Iran. You piss in other people's pools, and then blame them for getting angry.
If the US was really serious about fixing this problem, they wouldn't be afraid to piss off the rich elite that control the country and move to a non-oil based economy. The simplest way to defeat an enemy is remove their resources; in this case, oil revenues. The Arabs wouldn't have any money to buy bombs and weapons if you stopped paying them billions of dollars for oil.
In War, people die. If it was genocide, then there would be no terrorists left, would there be? Don't give me that all wars are bad no matter what was the reason crap, since I won't buy it.
The jews occupied that region well before before Palestine even was a thought. What else does the middle east have going for it other than sand? Can't grow much there and could build things there, but only 5-10% could even work in a factory without lots of schooling/training. Hell, they import indians and others for jobs.
The Chinese are a totally separate issue and no communist state should have the right to exist. Ever! Even a psuedo-communist state. Chinese will lose around 70-80% of their population due to the 7:1 male female ratio in the future, so lots of one fisted monkey play or brokeback shaolin templing going to happen. They never report anywhere near the real tragic numbers of death to due disease or other forms, so their population might not be as large as they claim.
We should stop buying oil from the middle east, but I would rather see their reserves wipe out before moving on.
That would be the greatest assfucking they ever had that keeps giving.
The CIA has had their head up their asses for years and the Presidents who did not closed them down, plus had them all killed to prevent assassinations are fools. Pissing in others pools can be fruitful if you take care of the mess sooner, but not finishing off Saddam in first Desert War was a costly mistake.
"In War, people die. If it was genocide, then there would be no terrorists left, would there..." This isn't a war by the way...there was never a declaration of such. That's the same fact your boys down in Gitmo keep hiding behind.
"The jews occupied that region well before before Palestine even was a thought." According to a 2000+ year old book of fiction. And if I remember correctly, they lost it fair and square to the Romans by Titus.
"What else does the middle east have going for it other than sand?" Oil. Period.
"The Chinese are a totally separate issue and no communist state should have the right to exist." The Chinese are NOT a seperate issue...they are your biggest economic partner. You do millions of dollars an HOUR in trade with them, they are THE issue and inseperable from the macro-economics of the situation.
"Chinese will lose around 70-80% of their population due to the 7:1 male female ratio in the future.." 70-80%? HAHAHA...wow yer a real optimist...you just want to deny that if the Chinese wanted to attack the US in the next 20 years they would swamp them in an instant, either that or wholesale nuclear war. Why do you think the US keeps a nuclear arsenal? The Russians? Unlikely...it's the Chinese and Indians they fear...sheer numbers are a bitch.
"...I would rather see their reserves wipe out before moving on..." So your condemning the next 2 generations to middle east dependance...there is more oil there than you think...esp in areas like Kazikstan et al.
"The CIA has had their head up their asses for years and the Presidents who did not closed them down..." I can't disagree.
"Pissing in others pools can be fruitful if you take care of the mess sooner
..." No, once you make the mess, there will always be traces.
"...but not finishing off Saddam in first Desert War was a costly mistake." No, allowing him to rule as he did in the first place was the mistake.
yes you do if you include petroleum by-products like plastics. Other than that it's the Russians and Canadians fighting for the lead. 
I don't remember war requiring declaration? Personally I think a good sneak attack that can be maintained from the get go is the best way to win a war. AHAHHAA declaration requirement.
That so-called book of fiction has proven right several times, but it make it harder to discover that as time marches on. Historial confirmation have proven their existence as well. So what is the difference when we took back the Holy Lands for the jews if the Romans had the right? If you can't defend your lands, then you either move, stay and become part of the new order, or die fighting to reverse your fortunes.
Well nothing ventured, nothing gained. Poor planning caused more problems due to lack of fore thought.
Saddam was usefully for a time, a short time.
"I don't remember war requiring declaration?" Actually yes, if you declare a war, it's a war, if you don't, it's police action/peace keeping/etc...the US convientenly failed to delcare war so they don't have to abide by the rules they signed. Fucking lawyers.
"So what is the difference when we took back the Holy Lands for the jews if the Romans had the right?" The fact is you lower yourself to the level of ancient Romans...so by that logic, you have the wherewithal of people with technological and moral level of 70 AD. Great people to associate with...why not take a page out of Gengis Khan's book?
"Poor planning caused more problems due to lack of fore thought." Those who forget history are damned to repeat it. SNAP.
Smart Lawyers. Lucky we did not nuke the region and be done with it. Genocide is more common in Africa, which should have a few military actions to bring a bit of sanity back to the region.
Quit trying to label the US as the great evil of the world, when there are tons of other countries committing crimes against humanity like Sudan or Chinese. Trying complaining about your household being destroyed for some dam while you are being paid nothing for your land and home that will be destroyed.
Europe has become the world punching bag without the will to stand up on their own without trampling over their member countries in an attempt to conform with their silly regulations. UN continues being a useless and unproductive group that favors allowing crimes against humanity to continue from many smaller member nations, plus tries to become a world government when it clearly would run a 7-11 store straight into the ground with their policies.
The way you commented about Roman's defeating the Jews, then it should be alright for anyone else. Gengis Khan did good for himself, but Europe should have taken the offer from them to help wipe out the middle east.
"...trying to label the US as the great evil of the world, when there are tons of other countries committing crimes against humanity like Sudan or Chinese." Did I ever let them off the hook? No, you and the Chinese just happen to have the numbers, and seem to be doing NOTHING about Sudan, Eritrea-Ethopia et al.
The UN is a good idea that has been run badly...hmmm...kinda like the US.
The way I commented on the Romans was based on 70 AD mentality. If you are willing to limit yourself to that level of sophistication, go ahead, just don't be surprised if the rest of the world takes you to task for it.
Sorry Litty, I didn't mean to offend anyone, but dammit, just when you think this gang that can't do anything right has hit rock bottom, they pull this bullcrap.
What can they possibly do for an encore? How about turning US airport security over to Hamas? They can turn Border Patrol over to The Frito Bandito. Turn the Drug Enforcement Agency over to Cheech and Chong. Put that nutso new President of Iran in charge of the Jewish Defense League. Appoint JFK Jr to some pilot safety board posthumasly.
I mean holy crap talk about the gang that can't shoot straight. Opps, I'm trying to wean off the Cheney jokes.
That is because I could never be elected in modern politics due to my TR leanings. There would be only one warning before action. The US should interfere in Africa if they won't take the hint.
The US is a good idea and still runs somehow. I am somewhat of an originalist and would remove 2/3 of the federal government easily. The UN is held by hot air and will crash at a moment's notice. The EU was a horrible idea and has become worst.
Sometimes Simple is better. Make up excuses or complete thought patterns to justify crush an opponent is a waste of time. They were more complex than you give them if you follow their history and what they did.
"...my TR leanings.." umm True Right? Sorry if I don't know what that means, please explain...
"...US should interfere in Africa if they won't take the hint." So do you suppose the US as the first World Government? Shouldn't you take care of your own problems before trying to fix everyone elses?
"...US is a good idea and still runs somehow. I am somewhat of an originalist and would remove 2/3 of the federal government easily." Any extreme breeds corruption, whether it's socialism, facism or capitalism. How would you remove 2/3rds of the government 'easily'? And yes, the US was a good idea, as I have previously stated.
"The UN is held by hot air and will crash at a moment's notice." Not fucking likely. Does it need a massive overhaul? Yes. Is it a wasted cause? Not in the least.
"The EU was a horrible idea and has become worst." The EU was a great idea...executed by idiot political animals who have no idea the jewel they ruin.
Theodore Roosevelt's foreign policy and his semi-progressive nature was not too off tilt with the world compared to modern moonbat variety. I prefer his foreign policy and his lack of trying to be everyone to everybody.
I did not say invade and take over foriegn dicator's, but if they take our aid money and have not used it as they should then they should expect trouble. Many of these countries do accept the aid we have sent to them, so accountability should be expected. This aid has allowed this corrupt government to survive and I would have preferred cutting off their life line. Yes it would cause havoc, but it could better governments.
The US constitution is the firm foundation that created our country, which gave the people rights and the government it's limitations. Politicians have chipped at the foundation since day one and created many features that our government should not be involved in. A small and limited power government was the concept of the USA, but our states have lost the majority of their powers either their own foolish or Federal's robbery. If the federal government's structure could be mapped, then it look like your little brother knocked over your lego house. Relying on Government to survive is foolish and dangerous depending on where you live.
UN would be the first organization that would lose US as a member and we would start charging them NYC rent for the building. UN and EU leaders have a lot in common. Fucking those around them for a bit of power and money.
I have no respect for the EU after they banned national symbols on their cars and other stupid concepts, which destroys Europe's personality and history. The EU money is downright ugly. It was a bad idea.
"How would you remove 2/3rds of the government 'easily'?"
Suicide bombers, perhaps.
I was thinking pink slips, but if they can provide a cheaper bid than we might consider.
If we go with the pink slip option, shop around a bit. I know we could find something cuter, pinker, and more affordable than this one:
I meant the chemise, but get a price check on the girl anyway.
[Comment was edited by Maude Lynne on February 22, 2006 at 01:36:27 AM]
The issue shouldn't be that the company is Arab. It should be that it is going to a foreign company at all. Just put the TSA in charge, they do a far better job than lowest-bidder security firms anyway.
It is unfortunate that there isn't a Domestic company that has been running those particular ports for over 15 years. Remember, it was a Singapore company that P&O bought their American interests from and at the time P&O was 65% Chinese owned.
The Port of Long Beach, California is the busiest container port in the US and is also ran by 42 different private companies and overseen by the city of Long Beach. There has been strikes that have brought the port to a halt on numerous occasions but never any major issues besides that. Out of the 42 companies that run the port, 5 are owned by UAE firms, 7 are Taiwanese, 21 are Chinese and there is one that is Syrian. With such a mish-mash of countries that we have weird political agendas with, it seems like trouble should of already happened.
And what happened to the large Texan company that had the monopoly on the port in New York and New Orleans? Busted for bribary of course. Still they are in charge of one of our most strategic ports that transports goods to Europe from Texas. BASTARDS.
I say, fuck'em all!
Wouldn't it have made more sense to spend that billion dollars a week protecting America in our own lands? This is great, piss away money on no-bid Halliburton contracts while still not protecting our troops but let homeland security that is on our HOMELAND go out to the lowest bidder.
I do not see the issue here.
litty
that is the most racist link title that i have ever seen.
don't be so judgemental.