Apr 24, 03 03:33 pm — "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

- US President George W. Bush in his March 20 ultimatum telling Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq within 48 hours or face the consequences.


Four weeks, three false alarms, and one nearly successful military campaign later, the US has found no conclusive evidence of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Was America right? Was Saddam Hussein breaking sanctions and harboring dangerous chemicals and nuclear warheads? Was he willing to sell these weapons to terrorist groups like Al Quada for the right price? Maybe. Was the Bush administration and US intelligence wrong about the whole thing, using the possible existence of illegal weapons as a curtain to shield the real reason for war - (oil, revenge, keeping the American public's worries and fear safely away from the shambles that America's economy, freedom, and environmental policy has become)? Who knows. But the world can be quite sure that under no circumstances would the Bush administration ever admit their "absolute proof" of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is faulty. It is inevitable that the US will eventually come up with these hidden WMD's the war in Iraq was supposedly fought over. But can we trust that the Bush administration is above planting, or fabricating WMD's in Iraq?

The world is getting antsy. The Bush Administration promised everyone from Jaques Chirac to Mrs. Suburban On-the-Fence Housewife of Illinois that weapons of mass destruction would be found and destroyed as a direct result of this war. Let's look at what has been done to fulfill that promise so far: Four weeks of American and British scouring of Iraq have turned up nothing. A possible underground nuclear warehouse turned out to be fully known about by the U.N., and kosher. In fact, the U.N. ended up scolding the marine unit that found the warehouse for breaking U.N. seals. Two possible chemical weapons storage houses ended up being fertilizer. Some of us fretted: When the military gets to Baghdad, all hell will break loose. Alas, Baghdad was captured without incident. As a result, people are starting to whisper doubts to each other, and countries are starting to increase pressure on the U.S. to come up with these 'phantom' weapons. When it comes right down to it, the US will have to provide some sort of evidence of WMD's in Iraq. When that happens, how can the public be sure the evidence wasn't fabricated? Can we trust the integrity of the United States alone to come up with WMD's in Iraq?

Going back a couple of months, we find that the United states has lied before. In March the Bush administration released documents proving that Iraq had been looking to buy uranium in Africa two years ago. The U.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had a careful look at these documents and deemed them "not authentic". In another instance, Iraq had been discovered trying to purchase high strength aluminum tubes. Certain types of these tubes can be used to make centrifuges and are needed to enrich dangerous radioactive elements. The IAEA followed up with an extensive investigation of these tubes and decided that they are "not directly suitable" for centrifuges, therefore not suitable for the production of nuclear weapons. Nevertheless, in his State of the Union Address to America on January 28, Bush ignored the IAEA's investigation and claimed that Iraq had "attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production". Taking this information into account, the world can safely say that it is not below the Bush Administrations' morals to fib a little bit in order to put circumstances in its favor.

To satisfy the need for independent verification, the US will need either the U.N., or the IAEA (preferably both) in Iraq with the United States to ensure that any evidence they find is of the highest integrity. Unfortunately, the United States isn't too keen on that scenario. Although Britian is happy to keep the door open to the U.N. for independent verification, the U.S. is saying that they see "no immediate role" for Hans Blix and his team in Iraq. The International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly stressed since the beginning of this war that it and not the United States is responsible for finding nuclear weapons in Iraq. It fully expects to return to Iraq after hostilities cease. Dick Cheney has said that he "disagrees" with the IAEA's self perceived role in the search for WMD's.

Right now the United States has an Iraqi scientist in custody who is claiming that Iraq kept illicit arms until the "eve of war". He is claiming that Iraq secretly sent weapons to Syria, and led the U.S. to a site that is said to house the "building blocks" of chemical weapons. The U.S. is currently declining to identify this man and refusing to even give the branch of the Iraqi government that he previously worked for. The military claims that they could jeapordize this man's life by giving out any incriminating information including what chemicals were found at the site he led them to. The U.S. also won't let anybody interview this man. This sort of vague fractional information gives semblance to the Bush Administration's behavior three months ago, offering "irrefutable proof" of the existance of WMD's in grainy photos of unidentifiable buildings and badly translated random phone calls in Arabic between two unknown people.

The lack of integrity that the United States has exhibited since building up a case for a war in Iraq has shown that it can't be trusted to come up with proof on its own. When the United States government finally succeeds in offering up some evidence of the existence of WMD's in Iraq, we can only hope that it will be using more than second hand hearsay and forged documents as proof. Also, the world needs to put enormous pressure on the United States to allow Hans Blix, his U.N. inspection team, and the IAEA back inside Iraq to verify any findings. Until then the Bush Administration doesn't have a leg to stand on.

From Op-Ed at Kuro5hin.org

[Journal edited by ironix on 2003:04:24 15:35:31]

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Feb 05, 02 06:24 pm
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Thanks for the find. I've never seen this before!

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Apr 24, 03 03:56 pm
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GAY!

War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing -President George W



Apr 24, 03 04:04 pm
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Damn that was a good read, I was thinking you must follow every detail about this shit to have this kind of knowledge but then I realized it was someone else's. Oh well, it's still very interesting and makes a lot of good points. The best part is that although Saddam wasn't a saint, and should have been removed from power, there's is still lacking evidence of any "WMD" which I have always believed. But hey whatever, let the prez do what he feels necessary, waste our money, and kill lots of sand (censored)'s for all I care. There's nothing that bitching will accomplish. It's just too bad that killing a bunch of people to get to one person was the only way he felt we could accomplish anything.

bla

 
Apr 24, 03 04:07 pm
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Reply to duztin:

Blah blah blah................................follow........................ blah blah.......................... blah ..................."WMD"....................... blah blah ............................................anything.

BJ ..... the forgotton Jackson

War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing -President George W






Apr 24, 03 04:13 pm
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Apr 24, 03 04:14 pm
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I concur!

War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing -President George W

 
Apr 24, 03 04:43 pm
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"proton != antielectron"

Umm... No.

Positron = antielectron"

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 



Apr 24, 03 04:51 pm
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Apr 24, 03 04:58 pm
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I thought it might have had significance, but I did not quite know what. Factorial followed by =. I can't find it in google as it won't search for those chars...

If it means that the factorial of the charge of a proton = the charge of an antielectron, then I don't think it works. As far as I know you cannot use a factorial on a non integer.

Could you me talking about the decay of a proton? If you are, you are leaving things out:

proton --> neutron + antielectron + neutrino


What does it mean then?


[Comment was edited by ironix on April 24, 2003 at 04:59:34 PM]

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 



Apr 24, 03 05:01 pm
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Apr 24, 03 05:03 pm
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Ok. =)

< > is what I use. It's a dirty habit I am sure, but now that I finally figured out how to type them in here I feel better.

[Comment was edited by ironix on April 24, 2003 at 05:24:39 PM]

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 



Apr 24, 03 05:09 pm
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Apr 24, 03 05:22 pm
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My view of Bush's conduct regarding Iraq kind of boils down to a little parable:

***

There was a man who was on his way to the grocery store, and saw a homeless man sitting on the sidewalk, starving. The homeless man was obviously in a bad way, and hadn't eaten in a long time.

Furious at a government that allowed such a man to starve in its own streets, the first man stormed into the grocery store, pulled out a gun and robbed it, taking all the money and a basket of food. He exited the store, dropped the basket of food by the homeless man, and made off with the cash.

***
Obviously, the homeless man represents the Iraqi people, and the first man represents Bush.

I am glad that the Iraqi people got what they needed, but I think both Bush's motivation and methods were wrong, even criminal. Yes, the Iraqi people have gained freedom from Saddam, in the same way that the homeless man was fed in the story above. But that doesn't mean it was the right way to go about it, or that the end justified the means.

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction, Vice President Dick Cheney said in a speech Aug. 26, 2002, 6 months before the invasion. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against ou

 
Apr 24, 03 05:37 pm
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Reply to genji:

but you didn't mention anything about the grocery store gassing the homeless man's family

-v
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy
Turtles all the way down

 
Apr 24, 03 05:38 pm
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Reply to verbal:

WIth gas previously given to it by the robber in order for the store to gas its competition.

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 
Apr 24, 03 07:03 pm
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Reply to verbal:

Well how about the robber kills everyone in the store rather then just rob it? No ones defending the store, even though say .... that the store has gassed the homeless mans family, just the way the guy robs it is questionable.

I just think we should be the ones setting an example that to reach a destination you don't have to kill unnecessary people in between.

bla

 
Apr 24, 03 07:05 pm
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Reply to duztin:

What about that time you killed four people on the way to the store 'cause they walked funny? Hypocrit

In the beginning, Mr. T created the heavens and the earth. And Mr. T said, "Let there be fools"; and there were fools. And Mr. T saw that the fools were bad; and pitied them.

 
Apr 24, 03 07:08 pm
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Reply to Anathema:

Dude the store told me to do it.

bla

 
Apr 24, 03 07:09 pm
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Reply to Anathema:

Now this is beginning to make no sense at all.

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 
Apr 24, 03 07:10 pm
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Reply to ironix:

That's 'cause you're Canadian

In the beginning, Mr. T created the heavens and the earth. And Mr. T said, "Let there be fools"; and there were fools. And Mr. T saw that the fools were bad; and pitied them.

 
Apr 24, 03 07:11 pm
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Reply to duztin:

I think my killing you would be deemed necessary. Now shut up already. Blah...blah...

War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing -President George W

 
Apr 25, 03 05:34 am
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Reply to Anathema:

Not nice!

Make love, not war - hell, do both, get married!



Apr 24, 03 09:07 pm
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you got to give time to find WMD
they are nor just sitting in the midle of the road


 
Apr 25, 03 02:32 pm
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Reply to digital_x:

According to US intellegence before the war, YES THEY WERE!

They were telling us that WMD were being DEPLOYED in preparation for the US invasion.

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905

 
Apr 25, 03 02:36 pm
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Reply to ironix:

This journal is now officially closed , due to gayness.

War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing -President George W



Apr 25, 03 02:42 pm
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And this comment in response to that article refutes the article quite well.

Since I'm not willing to sit here and spend the time 'thelizman' did, I'll leave it at that.

No amount of zeal and passion on your part makes your point more valid than mine. In fact, the opposite is true. PGP Key ID: 0xCAA466A9 @ ldap://keyserver.pgp.com http://www.dj28.com Saddam gassed his own people. GNAA Certified Professional


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